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Post by caeterle on Dec 10, 2023 2:05:38 GMT -6
Can't do without an angel. The tenth day
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Post by brad on Dec 10, 2023 8:28:26 GMT -6
Nice. It brightens my morning to see what is next. Brad
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Post by DawninCal on Dec 10, 2023 18:10:22 GMT -6
Oh, I love her. I look forward to updates to this thread every day too. Dawn
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Post by caeterle on Dec 11, 2023 2:55:01 GMT -6
Thank you I wonder why everything thinks it's an her, though. In German, there are only male angels, probably because we know of Gabriel, Michael, etc. I thought it's the same elsewhere. Is there a female look to this one? Something completely different today. The eleventh door
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Post by caeterle on Dec 12, 2023 2:08:54 GMT -6
I still can't get over the "German" tradition of the Christmas pickle that I first learned of from an American 30 years ago (I don't know any Germans who know of this tradition), but I made my own one now. The twelfth door
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Post by brad on Dec 12, 2023 9:04:28 GMT -6
Cool. We have been hiding a German pickle ornament in the tree for decades. I will have to ask her if it was an old family tradition, or learned from her studies and collecting and making of all things Christmas, especially the Victorian Era German stuff. Brad
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Post by caeterle on Dec 12, 2023 9:55:48 GMT -6
The only thing I could find was a video saying that fruit and veggie glass ornaments came to Pennsylvania and German-American immigrants liked it and created the tradition, but not even they were sure if that's the true story. Neither German collectors whose websites I have looked up nor the Christmas museum (all of which have a lot of very old ornaments) know about the pickle. I have started looking it up ten years ago and the only time I heard a German mention it is because the story came to Germany from the US, so German ornament makers jumped on it. I doubt we'll ever know the real story, but if it was something German, someone should know about it.
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Post by brad on Dec 12, 2023 11:01:12 GMT -6
When Marilyn's family came to America in the 1930s, they were allowed into the country because the men were coal miners back in Saarland, and the coal mines around Scranton, PA needed coal miners. So their family lived there in primarily German communities for several years. Perhaps that is where the glass pickle came into their family??? brad
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Post by caeterle on Dec 12, 2023 11:03:15 GMT -6
Maybe the Pennsylvania story is true after all?
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Post by DawninCal on Dec 12, 2023 12:23:20 GMT -6
That's an interesting observation about the angel, Cat. While they are always depicted as men, I always think of angels as being women. I can't really tell you why. Love the Christmas ball. That is something very different from what you normally do. It reminds me a bit of a pin cushion. And, the pickle. That is really fun! I hadn't heard of the Christmas pickle before now, but it's an interesting tradition. Also interesting are the musings by you and Brad about its origins. The Pennsylvania connection seems to be plausible. Dawn
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Post by caeterle on Dec 13, 2023 2:45:58 GMT -6
I promised you fails as well. Here we've got both. The thirteenth door The squished "pod" (no, it's not supposed to look like that, I did it to it after messing it up, see my blog) The real pod
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Post by brad on Dec 13, 2023 8:19:42 GMT -6
When Marilyn's family came to America in the 1930s, they were allowed into the country because the men were coal miners back in Saarland, and the coal mines around Scranton, PA needed coal miners. So their family lived there in primarily German communities for several years. Perhaps that is where the glass pickle came into their family??? brad I visited with Marilyn regarding the hanging of our glass pickle. We hid it in the Christmas tree, and the first one to find it had "good luck" for the year. We still hang a pickle, often two: a larger one and tiny one. Her response. Marilyn said she never found a history of the pickle ornament that goes back to Germany or E Europe. Nor even a Victorian Era origin, based on the Queen's marriage to a German/Prussian. When I mentioned the "Pennsylvania Dutch" possible origin in America, she thought that may make since. While our glass pickle ornaments were made in Germany (in the 1980's) She thinks maybe ours were made by the German companies that were capitalizing on the 1980s craze for buying and collecting of new (and antique) ornaments that were of the earlier 'late 1800s' German ornaments. Afterall, who loved their pickles more, than the German immigrants in America. Marilyn's mother craved the pickles of the big pickle barrel shops in Brooklyn-where she grew up after coming to USA. Brad
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Post by caeterle on Dec 13, 2023 9:02:19 GMT -6
Lauscha especially has been known for extremely creative glass blown designs ever since they started making baubles and I've even heard the Christmas pickle mentioned in a documentary about Lauscha, but only that they make the pickle, but not with a tradition attached. A lady on FB told me that her mother took the tradition to the US when she emigrated from Germany shortly after the war and that that's how she knows it originated in Germany, but to be honest, I think that may be family lore or why haven't I heard anyone do it in my almost 60 years in Germany. It just doesn't make sense. Pickles are still popular here, but maybe even more in Eastern Europe. Americans sure love their pickles too, don't they? Thank you for asking Marilyn, Brad. If I were closer, I would certainly want to visit and talk to her about her collection and studies!
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Post by DawninCal on Dec 13, 2023 12:19:17 GMT -6
Cat, I would only know that the pod didn't turn out as planned because you told us. I think it's great! Dawn
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Post by caeterle on Dec 13, 2023 12:45:05 GMT -6
Thank you, Dawn! I simply couldn't pretend it was on purpose It's very much me though, I guess, lol.
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