Gold ingots cracking while rolling

[roundwheel8]

Hi, Ive been trying to melt my own gold ingots and roll them out into sheets but they keep cracking. Sometimes in the middle of the surface, sometimes from the sides, sometimes both. They are 20k gold, and I’ve tried three batches- two from bits of older sheets (that were made by someone else) and one using fresh gold. I thought the older batches might be contaminated so i went with some new gold. The old ones had some combination of copper/ silver/ some master alloy, but i alloyed the fresh batch with just copper. Im really not sure what I’m doing wrong. They always seem to crack when i put them in the roller after annealing around thrice. There are no signs of cracks before this. I anneal to a dull orange, Ive tried quenching and air cooling after annealing, i tried hammering down the ingot around 15% after making it before rolling, and even annealing after just 3 passes through the roller (only rolling it down like 0.3mm), but it cracks every time. The ingot mould is i think as hot as i can get it- i heat it up first and then place it behind the crucible while melting so the torch flame continues to supply it with heat. I first tried the process with sterling silver and it came out fine (i didn’t end up making a thin sheet, but passed it many more times through the roller than the gold, without it developing cracks). I think ive tried around 10 times but had no success. any idea what i could be doing wrong/ try differently? Thank you

Edit: I figured out the issue- i was quenching in my pickle and when i quenched in water it came out fine

[caeterle]

Again, I haven't worked with gold, but I'm still curious
From a quick google it seems as if it's not an unusual problem.

Maybe the post by Charles_Lewton-Brain in this thread will help you, it looks pretty detailed
orchid.ganoksin.com/t/cracking-gold/3548/9

[roundwheel8]

thanks caterle, i had already seen this post by charles and kept it in mind while carrying out the process

[caeterle]

Ah, pity that it still doesn't work right. I really hope you'll be able to find out what the problem is.

[silverjewellerygirl]

I haven't really tried this, but was trying to learn how to melt silver to cast it. The tip I saw on a lot of jewellery videos was to put in quite a lot of flux, sorry borax, to remove any impurities to the surface. I don't know if it's the same for gold, or whether you've already tried it, but thought I'd share Good luck resolving the problem!